Has God anything more to say to us?
Is it possible that if another Teacher were sent by God into the world that the world would recognize Him? What would our requirements of such a Teacher be? In mounting such a set of requirements, would we not be dictating to God?
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on -
Betsy,
God is inescapable. Some come to a greater understanding and realization of this. This tells me of our relationship with God, not that God has intervened.
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Grigori,
You wrote: "God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another."
What about the great Teachers God has sent to humanity throughout history? Hercules, who taught that life can produce heroes, those who achieve the great objectives through struggle and difficulty. Vyasa, who taught that death is not the end of life. The Buddha, who answered man's question as to why we suffer so, and taught that we suffer as a result of our own desires for material pleasures. Krishna who taught that man must learn to control his emotional equipment if he is to achieve serenity and open the door to his own soul. Sankaracharya taught that man is a soul, and taught the nature of the soul. Jesus taught that the Love of God is extant within man, and demonstrated that Love/Perfection within a man for the first time. Mohammad, said by some to have been a senior Disciple of Jesus, and that is why Jesus and Mary are so prominent in the Quran, was given the Teachings for the Arabs by Jesus.So, since God has sent so many Teachers to humanity, who intervened in the course of human history, why would He not now intervene again?
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:It is not the content of our great spiritual works which is the problem, it is the way their content is manipulated for the purposes of socially conditioning audiences that is of greater importance with regard to the effectiveness of using these works to help heal our global problems. The ways in which these works are popularly used polarizes communities, leading to less unity, more hostility. We must take responsibility to use these great works more civilly, more peacefully.
God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another.
God has set up creation to respond to our free will, therefore, in a sense, God demands we make demands of Him, except that God, wanting us to discover our free will and divine purposes for ourselves, will never command us at all.
In our opinion the only quality of God that matters is the only quality we all must learn, universal, unconditional love for every being in creation. That is how God loves us; we can only love God by being the emissaries of His love to all.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Betsy Whitfill on -
Dear Mystic Tourist,
Yes, of course. But is there not something "interventionist" about God sending a series of Teachers, whose teachings have altered the history of man? Otherwise, is God just a Principle, or perhaps a Great Being Who created the Universe and having done that leaves it all to a sort of material destiny based on the laws of Physics?
Betsy
Mystic Tourist said:Betsy,
God is inescapable. Some come to a greater understanding and realization of this. This tells me of our relationship with God, not that God has intervened.
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Grigori,
You wrote: "God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another."
What about the great Teachers God has sent to humanity throughout history? Hercules, who taught that life can produce heroes, those who achieve the great objectives through struggle and difficulty. Vyasa, who taught that death is not the end of life. The Buddha, who answered man's question as to why we suffer so, and taught that we suffer as a result of our own desires for material pleasures. Krishna who taught that man must learn to control his emotional equipment if he is to achieve serenity and open the door to his own soul. Sankaracharya taught that man is a soul, and taught the nature of the soul. Jesus taught that the Love of God is extant within man, and demonstrated that Love/Perfection within a man for the first time. Mohammad, said by some to have been a senior Disciple of Jesus, and that is why Jesus and Mary are so prominent in the Quran, was given the Teachings for the Arabs by Jesus.So, since God has sent so many Teachers to humanity, who intervened in the course of human history, why would He not now intervene again?
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:It is not the content of our great spiritual works which is the problem, it is the way their content is manipulated for the purposes of socially conditioning audiences that is of greater importance with regard to the effectiveness of using these works to help heal our global problems. The ways in which these works are popularly used polarizes communities, leading to less unity, more hostility. We must take responsibility to use these great works more civilly, more peacefully.
God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another.
God has set up creation to respond to our free will, therefore, in a sense, God demands we make demands of Him, except that God, wanting us to discover our free will and divine purposes for ourselves, will never command us at all.
In our opinion the only quality of God that matters is the only quality we all must learn, universal, unconditional love for every being in creation. That is how God loves us; we can only love God by being the emissaries of His love to all.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Grigori Rho Gharveyn on -
Hi Betsy,
We could hear your argument coming even as we wrote as we did. We simply could not know who would be first to raise this flag.We believe God cannot intervene in human free will choices without violating His own will to allow us our free will.
This is a matter of our sincere belief.
Whether our belief is true or not we cannot really know.
Epistomolgy shows why it is impossible to know.
We might argue that you cite examples of the actions of human beings, exemplary human beings perhaps, but still human beings, and therefor they do not represent direct divine intervention.
We acknowledge, that as with all rules, there may sometimes appear to be exceptions. Perhaps these citations of yours are such exceptions.
However, please also consider that all of your arguments are based on histories, and no one can really be sure any history is accurate or truthful to any degree, regardless of how many people may agree or disagree with them.
It all boils down to what opinions we each choose to hold, and our opinions are really all anyone can have. There is no way to accurately tell truth from fancy, fact from fiction.
If indeed, the intervention of some of these heroic, mythical figures was divine in origin, how do we explain the harm that has also followed in their wake?
Muslims and Christians both still kill each other in the name of God, and in the names of Jesus and Muhammed.
Can we really be sure the appearances of these two epic figures were matters of Divine Provenance and not Divine Curses?
When we examine the net result, the lives lost in the crusades, the lives still being lost today, these two characters may appear to be more like villians, perhaps on an even greater scale than Hitler or Saddam Hussein might be acclaimed to be villains.
It is simple enough to explain what we believe we may know about these two potential divine villains in terms of human processes, rather than resort to divine intervention to explain their provenances or their effects on world history.
As it happens, we believe all people are equals, that we are all the peers of God, and that the reason God will not intervene is to make us do so for ourselves and thereby prove our individual divinty to ourselves by our own acts and miracles.
We would say that any miracles already on record are simply humans exploring their divine potentials and learning to live up to them, if somewhat inconsistently to date.
Namaste
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Grigori,
You wrote: "God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another."
What about the great Teachers God has sent to humanity throughout history? Hercules, who taught that life can produce heroes, those who achieve the great objectives through struggle and difficulty. Vyasa, who taught that death is not the end of life. The Buddha, who answered man's question as to why we suffer so, and taught that we suffer as a result of our own desires for material pleasures. Krishna who taught that man must learn to control his emotional equipment if he is to achieve serenity and open the door to his own soul. Sankaracharya taught that man is a soul, and taught the nature of the soul. Jesus taught that the Love of God is extant within man, and demonstrated that Love/Perfection within a man for the first time. Mohammad, said by some to have been a senior Disciple of Jesus, and that is why Jesus and Mary are so prominent in the Quran, was given the Teachings for the Arabs by Jesus.So, since God has sent so many Teachers to humanity, who intervened in the course of human history, why would He not now intervene again?
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:It is not the content of our great spiritual works which is the problem, it is the way their content is manipulated for the purposes of socially conditioning audiences that is of greater importance with regard to the effectiveness of using these works to help heal our global problems. The ways in which these works are popularly used polarizes communities, leading to less unity, more hostility. We must take responsibility to use these great works more civilly, more peacefully.
God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another.
God has set up creation to respond to our free will, therefore, in a sense, God demands we make demands of Him, except that God, wanting us to discover our free will and divine purposes for ourselves, will never command us at all.
In our opinion the only quality of God that matters is the only quality we all must learn, universal, unconditional love for every being in creation. That is how God loves us; we can only love God by being the emissaries of His love to all.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on
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Betsy,I consider all men ordinary. God exists as do we and so we have that in common. Being here with God there is nowhere for God to send someone. We have only to open our eyes and we find ourselves with God and so there is no intervention. It is true that some some people are more noticed than others. That is all it is.
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Mystic Tourist,
Yes, of course. But is there not something "interventionist" about God sending a series of Teachers, whose teachings have altered the history of man? Otherwise, is God just a Principle, or perhaps a Great Being Who created the Universe and having done that leaves it all to a sort of material destiny based on the laws of Physics?
Betsy
Mystic Tourist said:Betsy,
God is inescapable. Some come to a greater understanding and realization of this. This tells me of our relationship with God, not that God has intervened.
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Grigori,
You wrote: "God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another."
What about the great Teachers God has sent to humanity throughout history? Hercules, who taught that life can produce heroes, those who achieve the great objectives through struggle and difficulty. Vyasa, who taught that death is not the end of life. The Buddha, who answered man's question as to why we suffer so, and taught that we suffer as a result of our own desires for material pleasures. Krishna who taught that man must learn to control his emotional equipment if he is to achieve serenity and open the door to his own soul. Sankaracharya taught that man is a soul, and taught the nature of the soul. Jesus taught that the Love of God is extant within man, and demonstrated that Love/Perfection within a man for the first time. Mohammad, said by some to have been a senior Disciple of Jesus, and that is why Jesus and Mary are so prominent in the Quran, was given the Teachings for the Arabs by Jesus.So, since God has sent so many Teachers to humanity, who intervened in the course of human history, why would He not now intervene again?
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:It is not the content of our great spiritual works which is the problem, it is the way their content is manipulated for the purposes of socially conditioning audiences that is of greater importance with regard to the effectiveness of using these works to help heal our global problems. The ways in which these works are popularly used polarizes communities, leading to less unity, more hostility. We must take responsibility to use these great works more civilly, more peacefully.
God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another.
God has set up creation to respond to our free will, therefore, in a sense, God demands we make demands of Him, except that God, wanting us to discover our free will and divine purposes for ourselves, will never command us at all.
In our opinion the only quality of God that matters is the only quality we all must learn, universal, unconditional love for every being in creation. That is how God loves us; we can only love God by being the emissaries of His love to all.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Graham R Nicholson on -
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Grigori,
You wrote: "God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another."
What about the great Teachers God has sent to humanity throughout history? Hercules, who taught that life can produce heroes, those who achieve the great objectives through struggle and difficulty. Vyasa, who taught that death is not the end of life. The Buddha, who answered man's question as to why we suffer so, and taught that we suffer as a result of our own desires for material pleasures. Krishna who taught that man must learn to control his emotional equipment if he is to achieve serenity and open the door to his own soul. Sankaracharya taught that man is a soul, and taught the nature of the soul. Jesus taught that the Love of God is extant within man, and demonstrated that Love/Perfection within a man for the first time. Mohammad, said by some to have been a senior Disciple of Jesus, and that is why Jesus and Mary are so prominent in the Quran, was given the Teachings for the Arabs by Jesus.So, since God has sent so many Teachers to humanity, who intervened in the course of human history, why would He not now intervene again?
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:It is not the content of our great spiritual works which is the problem, it is the way their content is manipulated for the purposes of socially conditioning audiences that is of greater importance with regard to the effectiveness of using these works to help heal our global problems. The ways in which these works are popularly used polarizes communities, leading to less unity, more hostility. We must take responsibility to use these great works more civilly, more peacefully.
God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another.
God has set up creation to respond to our free will, therefore, in a sense, God demands we make demands of Him, except that God, wanting us to discover our free will and divine purposes for ourselves, will never command us at all.
In our opinion the only quality of God that matters is the only quality we all must learn, universal, unconditional love for every being in creation. That is how God loves us; we can only love God by being the emissaries of His love to all.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Graham R Nicholson on
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The one supreme transcendent Divine Reality, "God", "Allah", "Rama" or whatever name is used, the infinite, the absolute, the almighty, the unknowable Divine essence, does intervene in different ages in the life of humanity through the Manifestations of God, the Prophets, Messengers, Messiahs, Buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, to bring Divine guidance and education to humanity. There is a progressive Revelation of the Divine to humanity through them; they are the intermediaries, the mediators, the revealers of the will of God for the age. They come in different bodies at different times and places, with social teachings attuned to the age in which they reveal, but spiritually they are all one. However we as humans still have freewill to accept them and their teachings or not. By turning to them and their teachings we can become spiritual, enlightened, and our spirits can attain immortal spiritual life, nirvana, paradise, the spiritual world, and draw closer to the Divine Reality. This is the real challenge of life.
In this age, when humanity is drawing ever closer together and the world is becoming a global village under the influence of great physical and spiritual forces sweeping the planet, the Manifestation now calls on all humanity to recognise their oneness with that one God and with each other, free of divisions, prejudices and hatreds. Humanity is one. By following these teachings, humanity collectively can establish the Divine Kingdom on earth, as a reflection of the next world, the Most Great Peace and Justice, the Golden Age, the brotherhood and sisterhood of all humanity, as prohesised as variously described by all the Manifestations of the past.
Free will is not inconsistent with Divine intervention
Graham
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on
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Graham,
It is true from time to time someone will walk wit God and humanity simultaneously. I do not believe that is an intervention, it is more of an example..
Graham R Nicholson said:The one supreme transcendent Divine Reality, "God", "Allah", "Rama" or whatever name is used, the infinite, the absolute, the almighty, the unknowable Divine essence, does intervene in different ages in the life of humanity through the Manifestations of God, the Prophets, Messengers, Messiahs, Buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, to bring Divine guidance and education to humanity. There is a progressive Revelation of the Divine to humanity through them; they are the intermediaries, the mediators, the revealers of the will of God for the age. They come in different bodies at different times and places, with social teachings attuned to the age in which they reveal, but spiritually they are all one. However we as humans still have freewill to accept them and their teachings or not. By turning to them and their teachings we can become spiritual, enlightened, and our spirits can attain immortal spiritual life, nirvana, paradise, the spiritual world, and draw closer to the Divine Reality. This is the real challenge of life.
In this age, when humanity is drawing ever closer together and the world is becoming a global village under the influence of great physical and spiritual forces sweeping the planet, the Manifestation now calls on all humanity to recognise their oneness with that one God and with each other, free of divisions, prejudices and hatreds. Humanity is one. By following these teachings, humanity collectively can establish the Divine Kingdom on earth, as a reflection of the next world, the Most Great Peace and Justice, the Golden Age, the brotherhood and sisterhood of all humanity, as prohesised as variously described by all the Manifestations of the past.
Free will is not inconsistent with Divine intervention
Graham
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Permalink Reply by Graham R Nicholson on
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Well Mystic Tourist it depends on what you mean by "intervention". If you define it very narrowly in the sense of suspending the natural laws that govern the universe, then perhaps I would agree. But those narural laws include both spiritual as well as physical laws - in fact there may be no clear cut division between them. I believe that when the Manifestation comes on earth, there is a new release of spiritual forces that do influence humanity and influence its development
Kind regards
Graham
Mystic Tourist said:Graham,
It is true from time to time someone will walk wit God and humanity simultaneously. I do not believe that is an intervention, it is more of an example..
Graham R Nicholson said:The one supreme transcendent Divine Reality, "God", "Allah", "Rama" or whatever name is used, the infinite, the absolute, the almighty, the unknowable Divine essence, does intervene in different ages in the life of humanity through the Manifestations of God, the Prophets, Messengers, Messiahs, Buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, to bring Divine guidance and education to humanity. There is a progressive Revelation of the Divine to humanity through them; they are the intermediaries, the mediators, the revealers of the will of God for the age. They come in different bodies at different times and places, with social teachings attuned to the age in which they reveal, but spiritually they are all one. However we as humans still have freewill to accept them and their teachings or not. By turning to them and their teachings we can become spiritual, enlightened, and our spirits can attain immortal spiritual life, nirvana, paradise, the spiritual world, and draw closer to the Divine Reality. This is the real challenge of life.
In this age, when humanity is drawing ever closer together and the world is becoming a global village under the influence of great physical and spiritual forces sweeping the planet, the Manifestation now calls on all humanity to recognise their oneness with that one God and with each other, free of divisions, prejudices and hatreds. Humanity is one. By following these teachings, humanity collectively can establish the Divine Kingdom on earth, as a reflection of the next world, the Most Great Peace and Justice, the Golden Age, the brotherhood and sisterhood of all humanity, as prohesised as variously described by all the Manifestations of the past.
Free will is not inconsistent with Divine intervention
Graham
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on
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Graham,
In these matters I have a generous definition. I believe magic is the natural law. Not magic that suspends natures law but magic that defines it. Everything is the product and representation of it. The forces you expect to come into play, the new release of spiritual force, are already at play. Just as it always has been. We live in a world of pretense where we imagine things to be different then they are, and so we know conflict. We expect some influence other than ourself to make the difference, that only we can make, and so we wait when we might do it ourselves. If we choose to stand in Gods presence, where else could we be?
Graham R Nicholson said:Well Mystic Tourist it depends on what you mean by "intervention". If you define it very narrowly in the sense of suspending the natural laws that govern the universe, then perhaps I would agree. But those narural laws include both spiritual as well as physical laws - in fact there may be no clear cut division between them. I believe that when the Manifestation comes on earth, there is a new release of spiritual forces that do influence humanity and influence its development
Kind regards
Graham
Mystic Tourist said:Graham,
It is true from time to time someone will walk wit God and humanity simultaneously. I do not believe that is an intervention, it is more of an example..
Graham R Nicholson said:The one supreme transcendent Divine Reality, "God", "Allah", "Rama" or whatever name is used, the infinite, the absolute, the almighty, the unknowable Divine essence, does intervene in different ages in the life of humanity through the Manifestations of God, the Prophets, Messengers, Messiahs, Buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, to bring Divine guidance and education to humanity. There is a progressive Revelation of the Divine to humanity through them; they are the intermediaries, the mediators, the revealers of the will of God for the age. They come in different bodies at different times and places, with social teachings attuned to the age in which they reveal, but spiritually they are all one. However we as humans still have freewill to accept them and their teachings or not. By turning to them and their teachings we can become spiritual, enlightened, and our spirits can attain immortal spiritual life, nirvana, paradise, the spiritual world, and draw closer to the Divine Reality. This is the real challenge of life.
In this age, when humanity is drawing ever closer together and the world is becoming a global village under the influence of great physical and spiritual forces sweeping the planet, the Manifestation now calls on all humanity to recognise their oneness with that one God and with each other, free of divisions, prejudices and hatreds. Humanity is one. By following these teachings, humanity collectively can establish the Divine Kingdom on earth, as a reflection of the next world, the Most Great Peace and Justice, the Golden Age, the brotherhood and sisterhood of all humanity, as prohesised as variously described by all the Manifestations of the past.
Free will is not inconsistent with Divine intervention
Graham
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Permalink Reply by Grigori Rho Gharveyn on
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Dear Mystic,
You seem to be more along the lines of an Animist, than a Theist. In some regards we are more Animistic in our own approaches, so perhaps we only see ourselves in you. Wouldn't be the first time.
Our theism is unusual, perhaps not appropriate to share here in this discussion, so we will blog it for you if you care to peek under our hood.
Brother Graham,
We are not sure why you choose to believe free will is not inconsistent with Divine Intervention, so perhaps you can explain this point more clearly to us please?
We would ask for more logic than doctrine in your arguments, please.
Thank you.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on
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Greg,
I consider myself a Mystic. My life is dominated by God. Only God can represent and make an example of God and so I am Mystic. I truly have no other thing that I do. Devotion to God is such that everything that I have to do is encompassed in it. Every obligation, every relationship, every responsibility is met in its full measure by a singular devotion, to God. All absolutes allude to God and that context assures that all that I have to do is satisfied by my singular devotion. That is my walk, my path, my way.
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:Dear Mystic,
You seem to be more along the lines of an Animist, than a Theist. In some regards we are more Animistic in our own approaches, so perhaps we only see ourselves in you. Wouldn't be the first time.
Our theism is unusual, perhaps not appropriate to share here in this discussion, so we will blog it for you if you care to peek under our hood.
Brother Graham,
We are not sure why you choose to believe free will is not inconsistent with Divine Intervention, so perhaps you can explain this point more clearly to us please?
We would ask for more logic than doctrine in your arguments, please.
Thank you.
Namaste
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Permalink Reply by Betsy Whitfill on
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Dear Grigori,
Of course, God and, in my view, the Teachers sent to mankind, may not infringe human free will. There are many who have, and continue to discount, manipulate, and distort the original teachings of the traditions. Yet, those teachings persist and speak to man's needs and conditions, and that is, to me, a reason to think that those teachings are from God.
You wrote: "We might argue that you cite examples of the actions of human beings, exemplary human beings perhaps, but still human beings, and therefor they do not represent direct divine intervention."
Yes, they are human beings who are well along the path of spiritual evolution, toward God-realization, and as such are expressing most fully that divinity which exists, for most of us as potential only, within every person. If the path is from darkness to light, from ignorance to knowledge, from physical to full spiritual expression of the Soul and even beyond that to the Spark of the Divine itself, those Teachers are our "elder Brothers". I would suggest that the teachings they gave have, in a sort of sequence, revealed God as within humanity and also Transcendent of humanity. I suppose that might be seen as a blend of Animism (?) and Theism. God within all and also transcending all. God is ALL in ALL.
I speak not to be dogmatic, and apologize if it seems that I am dogmatic. It is, I think, in our relationships that we most fully express the beauty of the god within, for God is Love.
Namaste,
Betsy
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:Hi Betsy,
We could hear your argument coming even as we wrote as we did. We simply could not know who would be first to raise this flag.We believe God cannot intervene in human free will choices without violating His own will to allow us our free will.
This is a matter of our sincere belief.
Whether our belief is true or not we cannot really know.
Epistomolgy shows why it is impossible to know.
We might argue that you cite examples of the actions of human beings, exemplary human beings perhaps, but still human beings, and therefor they do not represent direct divine intervention.
We acknowledge, that as with all rules, there may sometimes appear to be exceptions. Perhaps these citations of yours are such exceptions.
However, please also consider that all of your arguments are based on histories, and no one can really be sure any history is accurate or truthful to any degree, regardless of how many people may agree or disagree with them.
It all boils down to what opinions we each choose to hold, and our opinions are really all anyone can have. There is no way to accurately tell truth from fancy, fact from fiction.
If indeed, the intervention of some of these heroic, mythical figures was divine in origin, how do we explain the harm that has also followed in their wake?
Muslims and Christians both still kill each other in the name of God, and in the names of Jesus and Muhammed.
Can we really be sure the appearances of these two epic figures were matters of Divine Provenance and not Divine Curses?
When we examine the net result, the lives lost in the crusades, the lives still being lost today, these two characters may appear to be more like villians, perhaps on an even greater scale than Hitler or Saddam Hussein might be acclaimed to be villains.
It is simple enough to explain what we believe we may know about these two potential divine villains in terms of human processes, rather than resort to divine intervention to explain their provenances or their effects on world history.
As it happens, we believe all people are equals, that we are all the peers of God, and that the reason God will not intervene is to make us do so for ourselves and thereby prove our individual divinty to ourselves by our own acts and miracles.
We would say that any miracles already on record are simply humans exploring their divine potentials and learning to live up to them, if somewhat inconsistently to date.
Namaste
Betsy Whitfill said:Dear Grigori,
You wrote: "God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another."
What about the great Teachers God has sent to humanity throughout history? Hercules, who taught that life can produce heroes, those who achieve the great objectives through struggle and difficulty. Vyasa, who taught that death is not the end of life. The Buddha, who answered man's question as to why we suffer so, and taught that we suffer as a result of our own desires for material pleasures. Krishna who taught that man must learn to control his emotional equipment if he is to achieve serenity and open the door to his own soul. Sankaracharya taught that man is a soul, and taught the nature of the soul. Jesus taught that the Love of God is extant within man, and demonstrated that Love/Perfection within a man for the first time. Mohammad, said by some to have been a senior Disciple of Jesus, and that is why Jesus and Mary are so prominent in the Quran, was given the Teachings for the Arabs by Jesus.So, since God has sent so many Teachers to humanity, who intervened in the course of human history, why would He not now intervene again?
Grigori Rho Gharveyn said:It is not the content of our great spiritual works which is the problem, it is the way their content is manipulated for the purposes of socially conditioning audiences that is of greater importance with regard to the effectiveness of using these works to help heal our global problems. The ways in which these works are popularly used polarizes communities, leading to less unity, more hostility. We must take responsibility to use these great works more civilly, more peacefully.
God cannot intervene, it would be against his divine will to endow us with free will for Him to intervene. We must save ourselves by the strength of our love for one another.
God has set up creation to respond to our free will, therefore, in a sense, God demands we make demands of Him, except that God, wanting us to discover our free will and divine purposes for ourselves, will never command us at all.
In our opinion the only quality of God that matters is the only quality we all must learn, universal, unconditional love for every being in creation. That is how God loves us; we can only love God by being the emissaries of His love to all.
Namaste
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