Heaven and Hell
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on -
Well Ron, I will have to agree with that.
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Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on
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I tend to believe they are both - a state and a place, and much more than we can "fully"comprehend with our little finite minds here at this relative level of reality. By being a state, it very much becomes a "place" of awareness. Although hell is the illusory sense of separation from the all, Heaven is the complete opposite as the True Ultimate Unified Nature of All Reality. The former a temporal illusion, the later a real absolute constant - always. Having said that, since The Lord Our God is "Totally" ever-eternally fully present everywhere all at once, we can very much experience that Divine Non-Dual Totality at any point and place in the here and now. Just as the hologram contains the total within the part, so too is the complete and full nature (and ever complete unmanifest potential) of God ever-present, available and open to us anywhere and everywhere in His creation. Quite simply, Mystic Union with God and His Totality can happen at any point in space, out into the boundlessness of His Divine Eternity.
Mystic Blessings from Spencer :))
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Permalink Reply by N.Shubhakara Jain on -
Dear Avyaktha,
Best conclusion -never expected - divine words. thanks lot
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Permalink Reply by shree c k p swamiji on
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Good deeds lead person to heaven
Bad deeds is hell
Jainism belives he'll and heaven it's vast subjectm
Must read trilok prajnapthi, ratnakarandak shravakachara
7th century holy book bhagavati aaradhana
Book ref- Padmapurana, mahapurana,etc
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God fully-completely and always eternally Loves all His creation, no matter how bad things become for us. It is at the lowest times of humanity when a needed messiah figure usually pops up in incarnation. As bad as we and things may get, God never eternally punishes (or forgets) anyone, no matter how bad. The divine mercy and power of God's Eternal Grace is far more mysterious (unknown) when it comes to His forgiveness than we could ever fully grasp or understand, relatively and finite speaking. For how else can God fully-completely and immediately heal and restore unity in the unified realm of the Heavenly States/Places if that were not so???
God's Eternal Love & Forgiveness is an ever constant, always influxing upon creation and His all, to look after and care for everything.
Unity is always, and we are all in 'It' together.
Mystic Blessings from Spencer
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Permalink Reply by Maynard on -
Well stated, Ron.
It's irrational to me that folks claim this pair to be somewhere else and infinite, but not here; and sometime else and eternal, but not now; for how can the infinite not include here, or the eternal not include now? Any resolution of this seems to land on the conclusion which you succintly stated. Thank you.
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Permalink Reply by Rajendra Shelke on -
Well said, Ron. I'm fully agree with you. The soul who unites with the Divine gets immutable 'happiness' and immutable 'freedom'. Such soul is free soul. Other are bound souls who are separated from the Divine and who go to the hell of worldly things till they unite with the Divine. Wow!
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We are always "in" the Eternal Nature of Absolute Reality (God). However, our everyday experience of life is certainly not "commonly" known of and to that greater always nature. That greater always nature is only directly realized to us through unmediated experience of that deeper mysterious Unified-Absolute Reality. For quite simply, if it was immediately present and revealed before us all, the game/journey of life would be over in an instant for all of us. There would be nothing left to strive for or discover for ourselves.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Christopher Martin on -
That seems fair enough Ron.
Although, one could think of a mode of being as a place of its own, a phenomenological space that is no less tangible than any physical space (the mind as embodied). Pragmatically, if recognizing the divine means demonstrating the presence of God through a holy and virtuous life, and thereby to influence others along this path, then it is to create a heavenly place on earth; by the same token, not to recognize the divine is adversely to affect one's living environment and to foster the absence of God in the world, which is a hell, by comparison.
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aashirvaada ,n shubhakar jain ji
nj,usa
N.Shubhakara Jain said:Dear Avyaktha,
Best conclusion -never expected - divine words. thanks lot
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Permalink Reply by N.Shubhakara Jain on
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Avyaktha pranamagalu,
heaven and hell - discussion in the web, heaven and hell FIELD SHOW going on at your presence in nj usa - fortune good day fast approaching to the mankind.
shree c k p swamiji said:aashirvaada ,n shubhakar jain ji
nj,usa
N.Shubhakara Jain said:Dear Avyaktha,
Best conclusion -never expected - divine words. thanks lot
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Irrational? You presume too much from such little comments/explanations offered here, Maynard. What is remotely irrational about what I stated here in further care and detail for others? Your briefness here is rude and offensive to my offerings. For your further understanding and clarification, quite simply, finite reality exists within the greater order of infinite reality - the relative dynamics "within" the Greater Absolute. On the smaller scale (the finite and relative), the jig-saw puzzle of life presents uncertain and full of choices to make, but in the bigger picture (The Infinite & Absolute) it is all complete and perfectly in place as it always Is (witness by God). It just depends on where you place your appreciation of things in life and existence - in the relative, or with The Absolute (surrendered to God). In the greater scheme of things however, it is all the same and non-dual as one complete eternal Being... God.
I see no good reason for you not encouraging further detailed correspondence on this. That is what these sites are all about - sharing, encouraging and further exploration.
I hope this helps you, Maynard.
Mystic Blessings from Spencer :))
PS: To be honest with you Maynard, I'm sure Ron's post here was inspired by my earlier discussions on the difference in nature between Spirit (Unity) and ego (separation). I welcome you to check them out...