Q: Guruji, masters have declared that enlightenment is here and now, this very moment. Then what is the role of techniques, yoga and meditation


Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: So that it becomes here and now really. Just by reading a menu card your stomach does not get full. If fire is written on a paper it does not burn your hands. The difference between fire written on paper and fire in reality, that is the difference here, okay? You have intellectually understood that enlightenment is here and now but to experience it, it happens only in meditation. The techniques take the mind away from the cravings, aversions and all the obstructions that has come to be in the here and now.

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Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on January 13, 2012 at 4:43am

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Chanchal,

As I have repeatedly told you on many occasions now - meditation is not the only spiritual discipline that enables us to attain Enlightenment/Nirvana/Self-Realization/Spiritual Liberation/Mystical Union. Meditation is certainly not the be all and end all, as you liken it to be. Definitely not! There are many other, just as qualified, if not better and more-effective, spiritual-esoteric disciplines other than meditation that can bring the individual home to God - "here and now."

 

PS: For further references to other spiritual disciplines, go and revise my earlier posts in relation to this.

 

Mystic Blessings from Spencer = ^

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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on January 13, 2012 at 8:52am

While I think meditation is very helpful and do practice it myself I do not know that I would characterize it as the only way to enlightenment. There is a causal calm and certainty that accompanies enlightenment, certainly meditation can mimic that state. I suspect that the enlightened being may have this calm and certainty without the need to meditate. Providence brings us what does best fulfill our best result. When we ask the Divine to reveal this to us and seek, its light and guidance, we find the way. 

Permalink Reply by Chanchal Taneja on January 14, 2012 at 10:09pm

Meditation is not only sitting with closed eyes and concentrating on ONE>but be aware of HIs presence at all times and being able to thank him for the beautiful flowers you see at the roadside,thank him for the washed clothes thank him for being able to walk as the breath going in is HIM making you enjoy all that you do or think...............TO be able to celeberate every breathas HIS miracle being performed now and forever..................................Love Love Love HIM for everything.......IK ONKAR SATNAM SHRI WAHEGURU

 

Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on January 15, 2012 at 4:35am

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Realization - "True Realization" - is kept constantly in being, not in the fleeting mind (of "conscious" meditation and concentration). It is impossible for the mind (relatively so) to achive this as a constant in everyday life, for the mind will wander off eventually; but it can be achived and kept deeper as a constant in being, and then bring to mind whenever we please and appreciate.This way is far more realistic, attainable, simpler, easier and practice, without strenuous "conscious" effort.

The mind is realive and fleeting. Our being, however, is absolute and constant.

All true Realization is kept in the heart of Being.

Mystic Blessings from Spence = ^

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Chanchal Taneja said:

Meditation is not only sitting with closed eyes and concentrating on ONE>but be aware of HIs presence at all times and being able to thank him for the beautiful flowers you see at the roadside,thank him for the washed clothes thank him for being able to walk as the breath going in is HIM making you enjoy all that you do or think...............TO be able to celeberate every breathas HIS miracle being performed now and forever..................................Love Love Love HIM for everything.......IK ONKAR SATNAM SHRI WAHEGURU

 

Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on January 15, 2012 at 11:29am

Thank you Chanchal.

When you express it this way I think we are saying the same thing and I completely agree with you.

Chanchal Taneja said:

Meditation is not only sitting with closed eyes and concentrating on ONE>but be aware of HIs presence at all times and being able to thank him for the beautiful flowers you see at the roadside,thank him for the washed clothes thank him for being able to walk as the breath going in is HIM making you enjoy all that you do or think...............TO be able to celeberate every breathas HIS miracle being performed now and forever..................................Love Love Love HIM for everything.......IK ONKAR SATNAM SHRI WAHEGURU

 

Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on January 16, 2012 at 1:10am

Always nice to be in "complete" agreemant, MT.

However, that should not stop us from growing and developing better more-effective ways to CompleteHood ;-)"

In that, I hope we also come to complete agreement one day(???).......

Mystic Blessings from your friend Spence = ^



Mystic Tourist said:

Thank you Chanchal.

When you express it this way I think we are saying the same thing and I completely agree with you.

 

Permalink Reply by Chanchal Taneja on January 16, 2012 at 10:43pm

Ik Onkar Satnam Shri Waheguru.........................................................

Permalink Reply by GPDC on January 17, 2012 at 5:55am

To GPDC the enlightement,awakening, that have been mention by masters and spiritual leaders are similiar to Divine Vibration  mentioned by  GPDC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsMEXcxMys

Our Creator sent down HIS VIBRATION to settle problems humans had created, HIS Vibration woke  people up to do the right things eg people power that overthrown communist goverment in eastern europe within 3 years , and the beggining of arab spring that overthrown dictatoral goverments , no one human can claim the glory either from political or spiritual world  Some can feel HIS VIBRATION some cannot but it attached to all humans being..

Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on January 17, 2012 at 6:01am

Translation Please.......


Chanchal Taneja said:

Ik Onkar Satnam Shri Waheguru.........................................................

Permalink Reply by Chanchal Taneja on January 17, 2012 at 8:19am

 Ik Onkar (One God) Sat Nam (True Name) Shri (honorific) Wahe Guru (Wonderful Lord).

There is one God whose name is truth,Praise the ever greater,ever more wondorous God

Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on January 17, 2012 at 8:43am

I also know God as truth. Truth is absolute, it knows no harm and takes no offence. It is omnipotent and omnipresent. When considering my trajectory through life I look for guidance from compassion and understanding as these are also of an absolute nature and therefore of God. 

Chanchal Taneja said:

 Ik Onkar (One God) Sat Nam (True Name) Shri (honorific) Wahe Guru (Wonderful Lord).

There is one God whose name is truth,Praise the ever greater,ever more wondorous God

Permalink Reply by Sufi Films on January 17, 2012 at 9:08am

Cun Fy Ya Cun!

Say To a Thing Be, and It Is!!!!! 

Yoga is a step in the right direction but not the final destination.

There are much more advanced forms of meditation that can take you much higher. 

When you are ready, your teacher will come. 

 

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