Q: Guruji, masters have declared that enlightenment is here and now, this very moment. Then what is the role of techniques, yoga and meditation
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Permalink Reply by Chanchal Taneja on -
I am travelling the road and can talk bout my experience on this road and will surely reach the destination and talk about it when I reach there..............................I have the teacher but am not able to fully comply to the teachings right now for which I am working hard and with the grace and positive belief will will will do it.Get to the true self the nothingness out of which all arises..................Ik Onkar Satnam shri waheguru......................
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Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on
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Lovely :)))
Chanchal Taneja said:Ik Onkar (One God) Sat Nam (True Name) Shri (honorific) Wahe Guru (Wonderful Lord).
There is one God whose name is truth,Praise the ever greater,ever more wondorous God
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If you have not experienced and realized "It" yet, there are far more effective and "simpler" methods than meditation (advanced or otherwise) that far surpass the higher realms of reality to achieve complete Union with The Absolute - here and now, and in The Next.
"You don't need to know everything to become mystically free!"
God be with you, Always.......
Sufi Films said:Cun Fy Ya Cun!
Say To a Thing Be, and It Is!!!!!
Yoga is a step in the right direction but not the final destination.
There are much more advanced forms of meditation that can take you much higher.
When you are ready, your teacher will come.
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Permalink Reply by Ron Krumpos on -
The infinite here and eternal now transcend space and time. Meditation, contemplation, mindfulness, prayer, et al are means to an end. The end of becoming is the beginning of being. Be that which it is, not what you think it is.
The mystical path is a maze; mystical consciousness is amazing.
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Thanks Ron, I completely agree with you, about meditation, that is. (The Mystical Path may be a maze, but the outcome of it is straight and clear.) Regarding meditation, mediation is not the goal, but the means to the goal, and personally speaking, I have witnessed so many individuals using meditation techniques for their own selfish means and self-gratifying spiritual ends, and in this very immature way, meditation is nothing more and self-ingratiated spiritual "masturbation" for selfish gratifying pleasures and means alone, long before one rightly develops and matures to the true mystical state of others-centeredness, rather than self-centeredness. That is why, now, I do not practice any form of meditation, for as I have said repeatedly here on PeaceNext, there are far more effective and "simpler" ways to mystical union/liberation with God, than meditation. The truest and noblest form of meditation is to meditate for all others equally, including yourself, to be free and liberated in Life & God. This is the highest form of meditation practice, and the highest form of spiritual virtue and devotion - the nature of the Bodhisattvas.
Mystic Blessings from Spence = ^
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Ron Krumpos said:The infinite here and eternal now transcend space and time. Meditation, contemplation, mindfulness, prayer, et al are means to an end. The end of becoming is the beginning of being. Be that which it is, not what you think it is.
The mystical path is a maze; mystical consciousness is amazing.
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PS: ... and by the way Ron, beautiful quote too...
"The end of becoming is the beginning of being. "
....so very very true, my mystic friend! :)) = ^
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Ron Krumpos said:The infinite here and eternal now transcend space and time. Meditation, contemplation, mindfulness, prayer, et al are means to an end. The end of becoming is the beginning of being. Be that which it is, not what you think it is.
The mystical path is a maze; mystical consciousness is amazing.
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Permalink Reply by Chanchal Taneja on
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Meditation is no technique no form no way but putting yourself under the grace and that grace has the capacity to clear all mazes, all allurement and self motives.( God, Self, Love..................is right here right now................but it becomes more fun and of adds more value when you learn the alphabets before making sentences and learn to make sentences before making paragraphs.............................................Ik Onkar Satnam Shri Waheguru......Here all logic,reasoning...........comes to an end and only the showers of grace drench you to only be feeling the grace and be into the void ……cave of grace...............Ik Onkar Satnam Shri Waheguru
to be able to recognize the miracles happening with every breath and the gr8est being the breath itself giving you time only to think of what is, will be and was......................and not what to get or capitalize on..........
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The meditation you speak of, Chanchal, is a more refined style of mediation. Sadly most individuals, at the early stages of their spiritual inquiry, only perform "basic-stylized" meditation techniques for selfish spiritual and earthly gains. Sadly, this is an immature offshoot influence of New Age "selfish spirituality" that gripped many Westerners (and Easterners) by a various elite published few in this area over the last 20 or so years.
Chanchal Taneja said:Meditation is no technique no form no way but putting yourself under the grace and that grace has the capacity to clear all mazes, all allurement and self motives.( God, Self, Love..................is right here right now................but it becomes more fun and of adds more value when you learn the alphabets before making sentences and learn to make sentences before making paragraphs.............................................Ik Onkar Satnam Shri Waheguru......Here all logic,reasoning...........comes to an end and only the showers of grace drench you to only be feeling the grace and be into the void ……cave of grace...............Ik Onkar Satnam Shri Waheguru
to be able to recognize the miracles happening with every breath and the gr8est being the breath itself giving you time only to think of what is, will be and was......................and not what to get or capitalize on..........
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*If Enlightenment is here and now, then why are so many of us not "consciously" in that Liberated State??? Yes, absolutely, God is ever-present, everywhere here and now, but there are very few who are fully-completely aware of That Ultimate Truth. The Eternal Nature of Enlightenment may very well be always present here and now, but it is another thing entirely to personally/consciously realize This, to say nothing of Enlightenment being achieved of us all collectively and globally in total and equality.
.... That's the Mystical Ideal anyway.
Mystic Blessings from Spence = ^
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