simplicity is the way to our creator...

Human being are far too complicated in thinking..truth is so simple..there is a Creator..who created the whole universe and all the living things in it..we are here to learn to be a good human being and take ACTION in helping each other...talk n talk is wasting of time..no one is better or holier than the other no matter what group u are or how you dress up .in.the eyes of God..the difference is whether ARE YOU A GOOD HUMAN BEING..

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Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on October 25, 2011 at 11:27pm
Gee, thanks GPDC, I think(???)

GPDC said:
Well done Spencer you didnt blow up..that the Spencer i like..learn to control it will benefit your materal world too..my name we choice not to review because we are on a mission of life..and dont want to take the glory of GOD..

Spencer Perdriau said:

That is okay, GDPC, you do not have to agree with me. I never said that life was easy, before or after mystic union. We still have to do our best in life to help and serve others for the greater good and universal ideal of all, even when we "get" God. As it is stated in the East...


"Before Self Realization, chop wood carry water. After Self-realization, chop wood, carry water."

 

By the way, what is your real birth name GPDC?

 

Permalink Reply by GPDC on October 25, 2011 at 11:32pm
Gentlemen and ladies..these conversations has beautiful shown how complicated  human beings are..just a few of us but look at the mess..when DIVINE tell GPDC no point to preach, we were asking why not when we found YOU we like to share our experiece to the world..we understand so well later..only   when humans are force to one corner when all their 'intelligent' are all mulfuntion, only then they  will humbly listen..when almost everything is out of control.and no where to hide .that what happen now in these world ..open your eyes and mind..the earlier you see it the better..orelse more suffering will come..earthquake in turkey, flooding in thailand and they will get worse..look on brother and sister..thanks Specier for stearing up my drive..to share..you actually think humans can come together humbly? no way..too proud too stuborn..only when facing GOD judgement people will start thinking.hope it is not too late.is GOD teling us something.by the way doomsday is over..see 'judgement gpdc' on youtube thank with love
Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on October 25, 2011 at 11:48pm
We "all" get there in the end, GPDC. :))

GPDC said:
Gentlemen and ladies..these conversations has beautiful shown how complicated  human beings are..just a few of us but look at the mess..when DIVINE tell GPDC no point to preach, we were asking why not when we found YOU we like to share our experiece to the world..we understand so well later..only   when humans are force to one corner when all their 'intelligent' are all mulfuntion, only then they  will humbly listen..when almost everything is out of control.and no where to hide .that what happen now in these world ..open your eyes and mind..the earlier you see it the better..orelse more suffering will come..earthquake in turkey, flooding in thailand and they will get worse..look on brother and sister..thanks Specier for stearing up my drive..to share..you actually think humans can come together humbly? no way..too proud too stuborn..only when facing GOD judgement people will start thinking.hope it is not too late.is GOD teling us something.by the way doomsday is over..see 'judgement gpdc' on youtube thank with love
Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on October 26, 2011 at 7:38am
I do agree with you Spencer, this exchange is sad. I do believe that a public forum is an inappropriate place for this discussion. It is a rule of mine. I do not think that public conversations,of this sort, are likely to bear any good fruit. That is due to my own inability, a lack of sensitivity. The critical nature of my mind presents me as rude and insensitive. I apologize for violating my own rule and being rude to you. I do hope there is something in this exchange that is of value. I did present myself honestly but I feel it was the wrong time and place and that I lack the sensitivity to be of much help.

Spencer Perdriau said:

MT, I truly think you are making this more difficult than required. I am listening to you, but I do not agree with your appraoch or words here upon me. If you do not let it go now, you could go round on this in circles for all eternity. Go back and "carefully" reread what has already been put to you previously. I am very sorry you are so offended by my posts now. This was never the case with us. It was certainly not my intention to offend, nor to be so wrongly perceived by you and others in this collaborating way upon me. I am very sad that you and others are mounting this way. I do not believe it is truly required or spiritually friendly.

 

As a friend, thank you kindly for "sincerely" wishing me well. At present, and for many years now, I have been very content and well. And I sincerely wish and hope the same for you, and others here.



Mystic Tourist said:

Now you are the martyr? And at my hand? Spence I am trying to be your friend but you are not there. Your reply demonstrates your inability to listen, to participate. Because I like you I want to engage with you but you insist on a conversation that for me holds no value. A conversation of diminishing returns. I will not partner with you in that. I wish I knew a way to connect but when I try there is not one there. I find instead something that is not very appealing. I did not expect you to hear me. I only replied because I thought it might plant a seed that you might some day appreciate. I think I am done Spence, you do not hear me and so I will not waste our time. I wish you success and happiness. I wish you well.

Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on October 26, 2011 at 8:06am

Thanks so much for saying that, MT. That means a great deal to me. Beyond all fleeting offenses/misunderstandings that may occur here between us and others (needed to be expressed openly here for greater working out, understanding and resolution) I very much care very deeply about us all together. So yes, it would greatly sadden me if good friedships here were broken by such fleeting things. Deep down I do greatly care, as that is very "simply" my tuest mystic disposition. I would never-ever want to see anybody left out or get left behind. If you ever get to know me as I truly am, I think you will be quite pleased (as too others here) that I am a very happy, content and light-hearted person in general, towards my family and friends, and strangers too just as much. It seems that the lack of face-to-face respect allows us to so easily come out with what we want truly want to say, without the respectable bounderies of personal relationship/decency and acceptance - one of the downfalls of the modern internet. But, we can always turn a negative into a positive - back to True Nature & Goodness. That, thank God, is "always" possible, no matter what.

 

I don't know if you have read my reply yet, but I very much liked your earlier post on "Love". Your words there were very "Good." As I say, its just a very sad shame that most of us do not truly practice this better way for all.

 

Thank you again, MT.

Your mystic friend, always...

Spencer

 



Mystic Tourist said:

I do agree with you Spencer, this exchange is sad. I do believe that a public forum is an inappropriate place for this discussion. It is a rule of mine. I do not think that public conversations,of this sort, are likely to bear any good fruit. That is due to my own inability, a lack of sensitivity. The critical nature of my mind presents me as rude and insensitive. I apologize for violating my own rule and being rude to you. I do hope there is something in this exchange that is of value. I did present myself honestly but I feel it was the wrong time and place and that I lack the sensitivity to be of much help.
Permalink Reply by Ron Krumpos on October 26, 2011 at 9:22am

It is time for me to leave this discussion. It is getting too contentious. 

 

All people are mystics. Some people realize it and others don't. It's a question of the degree and frequency of that realization. 

 

I hope you will take a look at my new blog on "Grace, Love and Spirit." It gives a new twist to Einstein's equation of

E=mc and may be controversial. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Permalink Reply by GPDC on October 26, 2011 at 9:37am
Thank you Spencer for accepting me as friend that show that you are a man can put different aside and shake a hand..as i expected when i request to be friend..now everything is peaceful  let start the ball rolling again, you can see that there not many 'dare devil' on this post to challenge you , you will be bore to death if we leave you alone..hehe dont blow your top it is a joke..
Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on October 26, 2011 at 10:21am

Thanks Ron. I am sorry you are finding things here "contentious." But yes, I agree with you, the mystic nature is "all" our original and sacred identity with and in The Lord, whether we "consciously" experience It (Him) or not. No one is more "mystically special" than other, simply because they "consciously" experience/realize that. That is one true thing all "genuine" mystics immediately realize when they are in union with The All.

About E=Mc/2... Many modern scientists/physicists believe (as do I) Einstein’s "theory" (equation) of relativity to be "wrong" - inaccurate. Einstein "believed" that if moving objects were to ever reach the speed of light, that they would reach infinite mass. This, he stated, applies to all physical objects as an absolute principle of physical reality. However, since the speed of light is not an infinite velocity (which paradoxically is completely "still" and everywhere all at once), this means that the speed of light may very well be surpassed one day in the future by using some advanced propulsion/gravitational system to power "local" interstellar transports. Personally, traveling "in and through" the quantum realm would be far more efficient, immediate and direct, no matter where to or how far away. The speed of light is not an infinite velocity, so how can mass become infinite at reaching a finite measure? The speed of light is something like 300000kms per second. So what is to say that that speed cannot be surpassed??? I do believe, one day, it will be surpassed.

...Wow, how nerdy did all that sound!? I really do sound like a "Star Trekker"! ;-)"

 Mystic Blessings from Spence :))

 

PS: Einstein was right about one thing though, "Imagination is more imporatant than knowledge." Why? Because without the creative spark of imagination, it would not lead us in to discovering "true" knowledge about reality. Imagination always comes first before (attaining) knowledge.


 

 

Ron Krumpos said:

It is time for me to leave this discussion. It is getting too contentious. 

 

All people are mystics. Some people realize it and others don't. It's a question of the degree and frequency of that realization. 

 

I hope you will take a look at my new blog on "Grace, Love and Spirit." It gives a new twist to Einstein's equation of

E=mc and may be controversial. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on October 26, 2011 at 10:24am
No worries, GPDC ;-)"

GPDC said:
Thank you Spencer for accepting me as friend that show that you are a man can put different aside and shake a hand..as i expected when i request to be friend..now everything is peaceful  let start the ball rolling again, you can see that there not many 'dare devil' on this post to challenge you , you will be bore to death if we leave you alone..hehe dont blow your top it is a joke..
Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on October 26, 2011 at 11:04am

Hey there Cristen. Thanks, but I'm not too sure if I agree with your statement here below about pain vs simplicity(???) Let me know if you agree with me here on this... Pain and suffering in life is not "the" obstacle it "may" appear to be to the immediate eye that always desires comfort, tranquility and an easy luxurious ride through life. "Life is difficult in general" - The first noble truth of the Buddha. The next three are how to overcome that difficulty (suffering). And yet, experiencing suffering and hardship in life can make us "feel" (in our deeper being/self) so sensitized, open and exposed to life around us in total (completely egoless), that it can very much open us up very "quick" into experiencing mystical union, even while in that limited suffering/temporal state. It is a great immature spiritual misconception that we have to "perfectly" master our self and life to be "fit" and "well" to experience mystic union with God and His All. Even though my experiences of union came "after" recovery from my early life traumas, we can still very much come into communion with The Lord even while we still struggle and suffer. God is fully accepting and unprejudicely "Loving" of all human conditions. He is not so cruel and elitist to only "accept" those who very selfishly "refine" themselves to the spiritual hilt. In many humbling and virtuous ways, pain and suffering is a "conditioner" a "catalyst" to make us come into true life. This, I believe (through my own experiences of suffering, and from the wisdom of the Masters past), is the deeper spiritual reason why we have pain and suffering in earthy life. To make us overcome limitation and realize our true nature and potential.

 

But, yes indeed, when all our long hard work of questioning and striving finally brings us into union with The Lord, even though the difficulties of life still go on after union, deeper in our self, we are extremely content, in love with, and totally handed over to the greater care and protection of The Lord. That deeper appreciation in us, makes life so much easier to bear and tolerate, knowing that God is always with "us" all. It make the journey worth while, no matter what comes our way - good, bad, indifferent - God is always with us.

 

"We are all in 'It' together."

Mystic Blessings from Spence :))

 

 

Cristen Brown-Rodgers said:

I think we are agreeing here, just stating it differently.  You mentioned in an earlier post the impact that pain and struggle can have on our journey to oneness.  That is the part that can appear to lack simplicity.  The result of that journey is the simple part :)

Spencer Perdriau said: PS: Experiencing God is in no way complicated at all. The journey to God may be "difficult" and disciplined (which is one way to go) but once we hit the crown (God) is is extremely beautiful, Loving and liberating. In short, it is so profound (true) upon us, it is undeniable and inescapable, but certainly not confusing. I think the only confusing part about it is trying our best afterwards to properly and accurately explain in "relative" words such a divine experience of Totality when we are graced with it, no matter how many times.

Permalink Reply by GPDC on October 26, 2011 at 11:50am
Dear Spencer look like you single handedly exhausted all of us..i announced this discussion officially close..till the next bell rang..peace and love to all ..especially you..bye
Permalink Reply by Paul Rodgers on October 27, 2011 at 8:50pm

Wow this one became a group therapy session.  Even though this site is dedicated to interfaith dialogue it seems humans have a great capacity for holding up the yard stick to one another even while standing under a banner of truce. Oh no I am doing it too!!  JK :)  GPDC you are a great host to your fellow humans and I have enjoyed your commentary within this thread. 

In regards to the exchange between my wife and Mr. Spencer, you both are certainly saying the same thing.  Being created in his image, the pain and suffering we go through is a part of that perfect design.  The capacity to feel hurt by our emotions and others is not a flaw it is a gift from the Gods.  Perhaps there is nothing more quintessential to being huamn than learning by trial and error and the courage that comes with it.  The path of the righteous man delves straight into the den of liars and theives because his soul compells him to not just survive, but to also remove the fangs from those who would do harm to the innocent.  I do intend for this to be intrepreted in a way that would imply that the rightousess some how elevates you above your fellow man, but rather by removing fangs I mean taking it into your own hands to remove the fog from eyes that are clouded by hate.  This is the honored duty of all those who choose the path of true salvation.  Salvation is not something attained for ones self but rather attained for the sake of others.  Mr. Mystic Tourist I feel as though you have said this before but in other words.

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