Unity (not pluralism) is the True Ultimate Nature of Reality
True religion and spirituality is always based on togetherness and Unity (The True Ultimate nature of reality), certainly not pluralism, difference and separation (the false nature of reality). At the surface of life, reality may "seem" separate, different and varied, but this is only a temporal illusion due to how our brain, perception and senses register reality, both inner and outer. Ultimately and essentially, all reality is comprised of the very same matter, components, forces of nature and Eternal Lifeforce of boundless subjective Consciousness, which hold it ever together in complete-total Unity - always. It is all just one Big Being & LifeForce in total.
True Religion and Divinity is about worshiping the common Greater Ideal of all life that holds us and everything all together in oneness and completeness, certainly not worshiping the lower principle of reality such as pluralism, division and separateness here at this relative level of fleeting-temporal life. To worship this lower false principle of reality over the true nature of Unified Reality (which is always) is a very sure way of continuing Life and religion in continuous uncertainty and conflict in separation and division, rather than acceptance, togetherness and Unity. This inverted (miss)belief and practice, by spiritual definition, is profanation against The Lord Our God.
So if you truly care about true religion and true divinity of all Life as One Life, then I ask you to respectfully and reverently stop promoting and worshiping the lower nature of pluralism over the Higher Nature of Unity in Spirit.
Mystic Blessings from Spencer
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Permalink Reply by Spencer Perdriau on
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Hi again Joel, to answer your question simply here, Yes, it is definitely a feeling, but not in the usual sense of a sensory feeling. It goes far deeper than the physical senses (in many ways, transcends them. Rather, it is a feeling of/in your being, so deep and profound that it completely saturates all of you and out into The All. No longer is there the subjective experience (feeling) of me here and everything else out there, but rather, it all "feels" as (your) one big self, without fragmantation, distance or delay. Everything "feels" the same as your one self. I know this is extremely difficult to comprehend in the confinements of one's own personal "relative mind, but here is a simple and accurate analogy/correspondence I came up with a few years ago that explains this clearer...
...Just as we in our body feel or self as one person without delay or displaced distance between all our organs and pieces of our self (we feel our self and being as one), the very same applies on the greater scale in mystic union with The All via the Greater Self. Everything, including yourself, feels the same subjective self, beyond all distinction and difference. It is all "felt" (in being) as One Complete Self. There is no objectivity in mystic union, for everything (objective) is all unified as an all boundless greater subjective Self, encompassing all.
Joel Sanford said:
Cristen,
Thanks for your reply. It is very encouraging to me. I do not have any blog posts. In fact, this is the only online discussion in which I have taken part so far. I am very interested in and love discussing philosophy and religion, and I hope to do more of it in the future.
I am wondering if you could describe the experience that has led you to your current beliefs. Would you describe it as a feeling? or is it something beyond description?
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What you have just described here, Paul, is what is defined as "solipsism."
Reality will still exist and be (for everyone else) long after we have gone...........
Having said that, which will do you mean is absolute? Personal or Impersonal? [[PS: The answer to this, BTW, is a paradox, depending on which perspective you take.]]
It is our "perception" of reality that is the colouring and/or limitation of reality. Perception is not the (actual) reality, only the personal interpretation of that Greater Impersonal we all equally exist in together as One.
"We are all in "It" together."
Mystic Blessings from Spence :))
Paul Rodgers said:
My big question would be what is the differance? We live in a world of illusions and bending reality. For instance did any of you dream last night? Was that an illusion. I wonder if our perseption of the illusion is nothing more than illusion itself. If reality is a creative experiance then it is much like making a line in the sand, it is there but when a wave or the wind washes over it it not. Then we are left with the choice of making the line again. To me the only thing that is absolute is the will.
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This answer is extremely clear and obvious for me. My first experience of mystic union (as well as the further two to follow a few months later) at the age of 23 changed my life forever and for the better, both personally and impersonally. I could never go back to the old limited orientation of life. Once you pass through the mystic door (veil) of initiation, it vanished behind you, leaving the old ways (orientation) of temporal life gone forever. Eternity and Unity in God is now your greater perspective/realization/appreciation of reality, established as a constant in your deeper being.
Nothing in temporal life can remotely compare to what is experienced in mystic union with The Lord and His All.
Unity Is Always.......
Cristen Brown-Rodgers said:It's difficult to answer that question because it isn't just one experience that changed my life. Rather, it has been a journey over the years. It started with thought and logic, then transitioned into experimental application, then to the spiritual feeling. That's why, although I could never claim to know 'the answer', I am comfortable believing what I do. Because it isn't just a feeling but rather is the result of deep thought, searching, sometimes painful realizations, and then ultimately connection. The connection itself, the 'mystic union' that Spencer refers to, is not really a feeling. It is more like an experience. A feeling is separate from reality. We can feel happy or angry, but these things are clearly self created and only seem to impact reality through our actions. The connection, as far as I believe, is more like an experience because it includes the self but doesn't seem to be born of the self (hope that makes sense).
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Mystic Tourist recently posted the following discussion post that was originally raised by myself weeks ago in regards to Unity and pluralism...
Pluralism/Unity Ego/Essence
There has been much attention given to these concepts here on PeaceNext. The focus has been as if these are pitted against each other. The one more valuable, or worthy, that the other. Unity defeats pluralism due to its higher value. Ego is to be shunned,the cause of all our ills, and some higher essence is the prize. I do not see it that way. These components lend their value to the whole of our experience. Experience is incomplete when anything is missing from it. All of the pieces together give us what we require to do what is best and create the experience that is of the greatest value.
The notion that these are in conflict demonstrates an existing conflict. The notion that these are not in conflict demonstrates an absence of that conflict. In considering this we can see that as we think we actually are. It is not hard to extrapolate this into the world around us. Climate change and all of its ramifications is an excellent example of how we collectively create the world we live in. When we demonstrate care in our daily life we are more likely to prosper and be happy. When we exercise care collectively we build a better world. We can and do change the world everyday. It is our responsibility to realize this and build a world suitable for us all. A world we all want to live in. If the next life is our reward we had best make that investment now.
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I have yet to discover the real reasons for such, but most of my comments in reply to his above post over mine have been deleted. For this reason I am reposting my comments here to freely and rightly share with you all. As much as pluralism is advocated here on this website, I do believe I have the right to stand as a voice to mystically teach and educate readers about how the Sacred Unity of The Divine holds, keeps and sustains all pluralism in existence, and us just as well. To not allow that greater sacred truth to be freely taught for the greater betterment of others is terribly wrong and against true religion and spirituality, in which we all share equally.
Having said that, here are my posted comments to Mystic Tourist's repost of my original discussion...
I will explain this as clearly, simply and as accurately as possible for you, MT…
All creation (pluralism) is produced by, exists “within”, and is sustained by The Divine (Unity).
NOTE: To worship and place more importance on creation (pluralism) over The Divine (Unity), is outright profanation against The Lord Our God. Mystically speaking, myself in complete Love & Honour of God, I advise caution against such forms of worship and belief.
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Come from innocence... fall from innocence... return to innocence
This is the eternal dance of all Life (pluralism) with/in The Divine (Unity). In the beginning, we are innocent (unknowing) of our always connection with The Lord. In the end (Eternity), through the process of Life (egoic orientation - individuality), we come into "conscious" personal reunion with The Lord that is always... Our eternal relationship with God.
Pluralism only exists because unity sustains it all.
The universe(s) only exist because God sustains it all.
The former cannot exist without the latter. But the latter can exist (self-sustaining) without the other.
Only God is Self-sustaining. Not so with manifest reality.
Only in the Absolute Non-Dual Totality of Self do they both (God and creation) exist beyond difference, but always held together as The One by the original cause Principle - The God-Force of All. Only God holds everything all together in Unity, not everything itself... The Being of All is far eternally greater than the sum of all the parts.
Only through accurately understanding the nature of reality, both earthly and spiritually, will conflict and differences be resolved in that greater Truth & Peace, which we all equally share in, beyond all fleeting differences.
Unity Is Always (whether we know it or not)...
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Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on -
Thank you Spence, I appreciate that. Like anyone else here on PeaceNext I am in control of my blog. You made a comment that I considered condescending. I deleted it. You re-posted it several times. You also add so many comments and content so as to hijack my blog post, or anyone else's, and make it your own. Comment after comment after comment. I think that is rude and inconsiderate and so I trim the excessive content from the thread. I do this as a courtesy to myself and everyone else here at PeaceNext.
I will save us this struggle in the future by once again moderating my blogs to restrict unwanted content. Seems I should have left it that way and saved us this unpleasantness. I like you Spence. I do not like the way you treat this website and the people here.
Please stop reposting comments on my blog entries after I have deleted them.
Thanks Spence, Best Regards
Spencer Perdriau said:Mystic Tourist recently posted the following discussion post that was originally raised by myself weeks ago in regards to Unity and pluralism...
Pluralism/Unity Ego/Essence
There has been much attention given to these concepts here on PeaceNext. The focus has been as if these are pitted against each other. The one more valuable, or worthy, that the other. Unity defeats pluralism due to its higher value. Ego is to be shunned,the cause of all our ills, and some higher essence is the prize. I do not see it that way. These components lend their value to the whole of our experience. Experience is incomplete when anything is missing from it. All of the pieces together give us what we require to do what is best and create the experience that is of the greatest value.
The notion that these are in conflict demonstrates an existing conflict. The notion that these are not in conflict demonstrates an absence of that conflict. In considering this we can see that as we think we actually are. It is not hard to extrapolate this into the world around us. Climate change and all of its ramifications is an excellent example of how we collectively create the world we live in. When we demonstrate care in our daily life we are more likely to prosper and be happy. When we exercise care collectively we build a better world. We can and do change the world everyday. It is our responsibility to realize this and build a world suitable for us all. A world we all want to live in. If the next life is our reward we had best make that investment now.
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I have yet to discover the real reasons for such, but most of my comments in reply to his above post over mine have been deleted. For this reason I am reposting my comments here to freely and rightly share with you all. As much as pluralism is advocated here on this website, I do believe I have the right to stand as a voice to mystically teach and educate readers about how the Sacred Unity of The Divine holds, keeps and sustains all pluralism in existence, and us just as well. To not allow that greater sacred truth to be freely taught for the greater betterment of others is terribly wrong and against true religion and spirituality, in which we all share equally.
Having said that, here are my posted comments to Mystic Tourist's repost of my original discussion...
I will explain this as clearly, simply and as accurately as possible for you, MT…
All creation (pluralism) is produced by, exists “within”, and is sustained by The Divine (Unity).
NOTE: To worship and place more importance on creation (pluralism) over The Divine (Unity), is outright profanation against The Lord Our God. Mystically speaking, myself in complete Love & Honour of God, I advise caution against such forms of worship and belief.
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Quite obviously, MT, this is an issue between you and me. No one else has resorted to such actions here. Why do you feel so preveliged to sensor others freedom to post comments? I know there are personal issues between you and me, but as I keep telling you (and Ron), you have got to let it go. Lets move on to bigger and brighter things now, Please. If everyone did this what you have started recently here, then this website wouold collapse and fail in an instant. If everyone took this approach you have now (when we disagree or do not better understand) then we would serious limit the further progress of greater understanding and development for all of us here towards the greater. Do you see what you have done here, MT, and what you have started by taking this action upon me? You have greatly affected the freedom of expression of others over your own personal care and personal beliefs. There is no further growth and understanding to such methods. If I share in detail, that should not be seen as hijacking, as you put it. It is my way to explain things in the best way possible. Plus, I have the time to do so.
Having said all that, I am very sorry you have become so negative towards me, MT. When is this going to end for you? You will always be my friend, and I accept you just as you are, even in our differences.
I hope you will refrain from such wrong actions in the future. If not, then there will be no end to it.
Spencer
Mystic Tourist said:Thank you Spence, I appreciate that. Like anyone else here on PeaceNext I am in control of my blog. You made a comment that I considered condescending. I deleted it. You re-posted it several times. You also add so many comments and content so as to hijack my blog post, or anyone else's, and make it your own. Comment after comment after comment. I think that is rude and inconsiderate and so I trim the excessive content from the thread. I do this as a courtesy to myself and everyone else here at PeaceNext.
I will save us this struggle in the future by once again moderating my blogs to restrict unwanted content. Seems I should have left it that way and saved us this unpleasantness. I like you Spence. I do not like the way you treat this website and the people here.
Please stop reposting comments on my blog entries after I have deleted them.
Thanks Spence, Best Regards
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