What if...If you find out that God means your Higher Self?

Maybe there is no God outside of yourself?

I know you would ask, who or what formed the Birds, Squirrels, Butterflies, Mountains, Waterfalls, Lakes, Trees, Buffalo, Flowers, Apples, Oranges, Lakes, Minerals, Oxygen, Hydrogen Sun, Moon, Stars & The Universe & YOU?

But what if you are the one who formed all these things before you came here and forgot that you did, and now you have to remember?
Are you open to this line of reasoning?

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Permalink Reply by Ron Krumpos on March 12, 2012 at 12:11pm

The answer depends on what you mean by you.

Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on March 12, 2012 at 1:28pm

It would seem that God exists. That being said we can not define God as we would then create God by said definition. Certainly the allusion of your question, Jim, is broad enough to consider God without defining God. Traditionally people consider God in terms so human as to lack credibility. However God is, and even if God is naught, needs to be acceptable if we are to have any honest appreciation and experience of God. At least that is how I experience God and I see no other path that allows God God's own authority.

Permalink Reply by Jimmy Tan on March 13, 2012 at 11:26pm

It is a generic "you". :)

Ron Krumpos said:

The answer depends on what you mean by you.

Permalink Reply by Jimmy Tan on March 13, 2012 at 11:30pm

Interesting thoughts, Mystic Tourist. Perhaps God is both divine and human, just as we are. If I were to define God, I would say God is Love.

Maybe our experience with God is meant to be subjective because life is a process/journey of knowing, discovering and remembering who we really are.

Mystic Tourist said:

It would seem that God exists. That being said we can not define God as we would then create God by said definition. Certainly the allusion of your question, Jim, is broad enough to consider God without defining God. Traditionally people consider God in terms so human as to lack credibility. However God is, and even if God is naught, needs to be acceptable if we are to have any honest appreciation and experience of God. At least that is how I experience God and I see no other path that allows God God's own authority.

Permalink Reply by Mystic Tourist on March 14, 2012 at 9:38am

Hello Jimmy. When I consider God I look to what I can see that is absolute or that is of an absolute quality. I also look to forgiveness as I consider it the narrow gate. Truth, understanding and compassion are three absolutes as their measure is always enough and can not be exhausted. They only exist in a measure that is absolute.

Jimmy Tan said:

Interesting thoughts, Mystic Tourist. Perhaps God is both divine and human, just as we are. If I were to define God, I would say God is Love.

Maybe our experience with God is meant to be subjective because life is a process/journey of knowing, discovering and remembering who we really are.

Mystic Tourist said:

It would seem that God exists. That being said we can not define God as we would then create God by said definition. Certainly the allusion of your question, Jim, is broad enough to consider God without defining God. Traditionally people consider God in terms so human as to lack credibility. However God is, and even if God is naught, needs to be acceptable if we are to have any honest appreciation and experience of God. At least that is how I experience God and I see no other path that allows God God's own authority.

Permalink Reply by Ron Krumpos on March 14, 2012 at 10:35am

Jimmy, I'm glad you joined PeaceNext. In our life as lived there is no generic you. 

   There are at least three perspectives on You. The outer You as may be judged by other people; the personal You by which you judge yourself, and the inner You which too few people are aware of. On the latter, two paragraphs from my free ebook on comparative mysticism:
    There seems to be a paradox to mystics’ vision. On the one hand, they say that we must find our own inner self, or soul, a true self-realization which discovers the divinity inherent within us. On the other hand, they also say that all souls are One, that there is unity to all existence beyond multiple and individual manifestations. This paradox exists only in rational consciousness, which tries to explain everything with reason, logic or images. That limits our experience.

    Suprarational consciousness, complete intuitive insight realized in divine grace, is aware that our soul and all other souls are divine and that the spirits of the many are united in the Spirit of the One, without contradiction. Certainty of oneness overcomes most of the uncertainties of this life; liberation from ego and individuality leads to a freedom seldom experienced in worldly existence. Many of the downsides of ordinary living become upsides during divine living.

Permalink Reply by Jimmy Tan on March 20, 2012 at 2:05am

Thanks for the welcome, Ron. I would say the "inner You" that you mentioned is our true identity of our divine Self (or God). The divine paradox of the mystics' vision of our innate Oneness with the Spirit as mentioned in your post also sits well with me.

Ron Krumpos said:

Jimmy, I'm glad you joined PeaceNext. In our life as lived there is no generic you. 

   There are at least three perspectives on You. The outer You as may be judged by other people; the personal You by which you judge yourself, and the inner You which too few people are aware of. On the latter, two paragraphs from my free ebook on comparative mysticism:
    There seems to be a paradox to mystics’ vision. On the one hand, they say that we must find our own inner self, or soul, a true self-realization which discovers the divinity inherent within us. On the other hand, they also say that all souls are One, that there is unity to all existence beyond multiple and individual manifestations. This paradox exists only in rational consciousness, which tries to explain everything with reason, logic or images. That limits our experience.

    Suprarational consciousness, complete intuitive insight realized in divine grace, is aware that our soul and all other souls are divine and that the spirits of the many are united in the Spirit of the One, without contradiction. Certainty of oneness overcomes most of the uncertainties of this life; liberation from ego and individuality leads to a freedom seldom experienced in worldly existence. Many of the downsides of ordinary living become upsides during divine living.

Permalink Reply by Jimmy Tan on March 20, 2012 at 2:06am

Hi Mystic Tourist, yes, there can be no love without forgiveness, and there can be no truth without understanding and compassion. These, to me, are the attributes of God, or should I say, the very essence of God.

Mystic Tourist said:

Hello Jimmy. When I consider God I look to what I can see that is absolute or that is of an absolute quality. I also look to forgiveness as I consider it the narrow gate. Truth, understanding and compassion are three absolutes as their measure is always enough and can not be exhausted. They only exist in a measure that is absolute.

Jimmy Tan said:

Interesting thoughts, Mystic Tourist. Perhaps God is both divine and human, just as we are. If I were to define God, I would say God is Love.

Maybe our experience with God is meant to be subjective because life is a process/journey of knowing, discovering and remembering who we really are.

Mystic Tourist said:

It would seem that God exists. That being said we can not define God as we would then create God by said definition. Certainly the allusion of your question, Jim, is broad enough to consider God without defining God. Traditionally people consider God in terms so human as to lack credibility. However God is, and even if God is naught, needs to be acceptable if we are to have any honest appreciation and experience of God. At least that is how I experience God and I see no other path that allows God God's own authority.

Permalink Reply by Maynard on April 11, 2012 at 6:54pm

Hi Jimmy,

You raise the issue of anthropomorphism, and for starters I refer you to

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/another-word-on-god-and-the-twenty-fi...

You know of course that the cells within our bodies cannot comprehend the whole body, no less its functioning, and even moreso the dreams, loves, and imaginations which the mind formulates.

Even our natural and physical selves struggle with comprehending our own spirituality, even our yearnings and fears, no less that which is even more transcendent.

In Peace,

Permalink Reply by Ron Krumpos on April 11, 2012 at 7:19pm

Maynard, that article in Tikkun was excellent. Have you found Arthur Green’s essay in “God and the Twenty-First Century,” the March/April 2010 Tikkun? Art is one of the respondents in my email forum, but he is usually buried in work and I don't want to bother him.

Permalink Reply by Jimmy Tan on May 8, 2012 at 5:10am

Thanks, Maynard, for sharing the article.

Your post reminds me of this story:

A small boy looked at a star and began to weep. The star said, "Boy. why are you weeping?" And the boy said, "You are so far away I will never be able to touch you". And the star answered, "Boy if I were not already in your heart, you would not be able to see me".
- John Magliola

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=356207764439418&set=a.1...

Hope you have a blessed day.

Maynard said:

Hi Jimmy,

You raise the issue of anthropomorphism, and for starters I refer you to

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/another-word-on-god-and-the-twenty-fi...

You know of course that the cells within our bodies cannot comprehend the whole body, no less its functioning, and even moreso the dreams, loves, and imaginations which the mind formulates.

Even our natural and physical selves struggle with comprehending our own spirituality, even our yearnings and fears, no less that which is even more transcendent.

In Peace,

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